Cyclic Trait Impls

10 October 2026

Why 'externalized' proofs of cyclic trait impls does not work

For this post, I wanted to talk about two different approaches to handling supertraits. I’m calling them modular proofs vs external proofs. The key idea of this post is that, if we want to have cyclic trait impls, we really need to use a modular proof strategy, where the impl establishes all supertraits hold. Previously we had considered an external strategy, where the piece of code using the impl has the obligation to prove the supertraits hold. Modular proofs always seemed better but I did not think they were workable in the past. But I have become convinced that external proofs are incompatible with Rust as designed, and hence modular proofs are really the only option1. This post dives into that reasoning, and also gives a bit of explanation of what I mean by proofs in the first place.

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10 August 2026

Cylic trait implementations: motivation

Lately I’ve been thinking about cyclic trait implementations. This is a problem that I’ve been trying to understand for years and years and I finally feel like I’m geting somewhere. I’m going to try to write out a series of blog posts documenting those explorations and, hopefully, culminating in a design that could be RFC’d. In this first post, I want to talk about one of the interesting questions, what I am going to call “internal” vs “external” proofs. I know that this material can seem abstract, so I’m going to try and connect it to “real Rust” as much as possible! This particular blog post is an introduction, explaining the general problem and giving some motivation for why we care.

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